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January 17, 2012, 7:07 AM, Anonymous said...
I think that anyone can argue just about anything if they really wanted too. but when you think about all the traditions that most churches keep are never based on the bible.Thank you, Anonymous, for taking the time to write. I appreciate hearing your perspective.
Do you have the tradition of celebrating your birthday with a cake and birthday candles and presents and a party? What purpose does such a celebration serve? Does it matter to you where that tradition came from?
Different traditions serve different purposes, of course. The purpose of the traditions that churches keep is to help people connect with and understand God.
A friend of mine told me about a mission trip she took. One of the 'traditions' (as you might call it) of the Christians in that area was that the Bible must not touch the ground. They treated their Bibles such that they considered it disrespectful for it to be laid on the floor.
I can't think of a verse in the Bible that commanded that, can you? So this tradition is not based on the Bible. But does the tradition have value? Yes, of course.
Purim and Hanukkah are celebrations that were not commanded by God. The people chose to honor God and the memory of something He did by establishing these traditions. Is that wrong? No. Even Jesus kept Hanukkah (John 10:22).
Christmas and Sunday worship were made to honor Jesus, not the sun god. I'll go into more detail in a future post.How can these churches keep Christmas and Sunday worship which is a fact in history that it was made to worship the sun God.
Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus will need to return to "restore truth"? The WMSCOG gives the impression that Jesus failed at His first attempt because it didn't last. Was Jesus a failure? Of course not.When you read the bible Christ said he would come back a 2nd time and by him the one who restores all the truth we can recognize him as God but people have a fixed idea that God would never come in the flesh. But God is our Father, think about all you would do to save your children if you knew they were heading for danger.
I know of two verses the WMSCOG uses to try to prove that the truth needs to be "restored."
Luke 18:8 ...when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?
The WMSCOG says this means that there will be no faith on the earth, but that's not what it says. It says, "Will He find faith?" They assume the answer to be no, that there will be no faith at all.
This is like the mom who leaves her children for a little while and says, "When I come back will I find you doing your chores?" She does not expect a 'no' answer. She expects a 'yes,' even if it's only some of the children.
The other verse is Hebrews 9:28 ...To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Christ's second coming will not be to "restore truth" by bring salvation from sin again. The word for "salvation" here has to do with deliverance, survival, and safety. It is also used in Luke 1:71, Acts 27:34, and Philippians 1:19. So you see it is a different sense of salvation.
Jesus came 2000 years ago and at that time everybody knew God as Jehovah but the reason he came was to establish the new covenant by keeping Passover with bread and wine instead of lamb sacrifice as in old testament.The reason Jesus came was to satisfy our debt for our sin by becoming the perfect sacrifice, the Passover Lamb so that death (eternal, spiritual death) would pass over us. The Passover and Jesus' fulfillment of it is filled with wonderful symbolism. This is a good book about it.
Did you know that Jesus didn't keep Passover "with bread and wine instead of lamb." The Jews had bread and wine with their Passover lamb as part of the Seder meal. The disciples prepared the Passover (Mark 14:16) and they ate the meal (Luke 22:20, notice "after supper").
First, there have been people keeping the Passover throughout history. It never "completely disappeared from the world" as the WMSCOG claims.God suffered in [un]imaginable pain and promised us life thru the passover. After his death at his first coming this Passover was abolished. Passover is the way to eternal life because we can have God's flesh and blood just as we have our physical parents' DNA proving we a children of God. Then how could we have eternal life if the way was blocked.
Second, if the way to eternal life was truly blocked, then "the gates of Hades" prevailed against the Church, which would deny Jesus' words in Matthew 16:18.
God said he had to come a second time just as in his first coming. Jesus was a very common name and he was persecuted by his people and eventually sacrificed by his people. it is the same now Christ ahn sahng hong came and restored the truth and it's not that people world mission society just follow a random person just because. Just as his first coming the disciples recognized him because he fulfilled prophecy as messiah. it is the same now and sooner or later this truth will come to light.Jesus will return in the same manner He left, not in the same way He came (Acts 1:11).
Was Ahnsahnghong "sacrificed by his people"? I remember being told that he died of a brain aneurysm.
And please don't use the it's-the-same-now-as-2000-years-ago argument. Anyone can claim to be the second coming of Christ and use that argument saying, "You don't believe me, and you are persecuting me. It was the same with Jesus."
Maybe David Koresh was the second coming Christ? (Yes, I'm being sarcastic here.) After all, he had a common name, was persecuted, and even killed. And I'm sure he would have told you that he fulfilled prophecy too.
And the reason we are so persistent when we preach is because we want people to be saved and we have an eager mind and heart just as our parents did coming here.
I understand that persistence. When you sincerely believe something, it comes out in the way you live. If you sincerely believe in Ahnsahnghong, then I would expect you to preach about him. And I do believe that you sincerely want the best for people.
That's why I'm here too. I sincerely care for you and my sister and all the others in the WMSCOG, and that's why I'm so persistent in trying to show you that "Father Ahnsahnghong" and "Mother Jerusalem" do not deserve your devotion and worship.