Although I have written previously about the "From the East" prophecy, I would like to address it again...
When you are studying with the WMSCOG and they talk about the second-coming Christ being from the east, they pull out a map and show you that South Korea is directly east of the island of Patmos, where John received the Revelation (Rev. 1:9). They are both on the 37th parallel.
Here's a website that will tell you the latitude and longitude of anywhere you ask. It shows "Patmos, Greece" at 37 degrees 18.5 minutes north. "South Korea" is at 35 degrees 54.5 minutes north at its center, but the northern part of South Korea, around Seoul, is at 37 degrees north.
They say that although Russia has land farther east, it's too far north. Japan doesn't qualify because it's an island, and the edge of China is also ruled out because you can go up and around on land to reach Korea.
At first sight, this looks intriguing. I didn't know what to say to that since Korea is directly east of Patmos. Yet at the same time I get the strong feeling that something is not right. Kind of like the feeling when my sister first started talking to me about the Bible studies she had started with her "new church." It sounded ok at the very first, and yet it didn't sit quite right with my spirit.
What is it that's amiss?
First, we can say that "east" does not always mean "directly east, on the same parallel." We say the sun rises in the east, but for most of us it doesn't rise "directly east, on the same parallel." But we still say it rises in the "east" because that's the way our language works. Do you ever say, "The sun rises in the southeast"? (or northeast, depending on where you live) Neither do I, but we all know what we mean.
But the more glaring mistake here is in the way they read the Scriptures to come to their conclusion. I'll explain more next time....
Biblical Answers to the World Mission Society Church of God
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.--1 John 4:1
Are you or a loved one struggling with this group? Do you need Biblical answers about the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCoG or CoGWMS), their founder Ahnsahnghong (Ahn Sahng/Sang-Hong) or their current leader "Mother Jerusalem" (a.k.a. "Heavenly Mother God," Zang/Zahng Gil-Jah, or Chung Gil Cha)? Thank you for coming here. I hope my blog helps you. Questions and comments are always welcome.
Are you or a loved one struggling with this group? Do you need Biblical answers about the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCoG or CoGWMS), their founder Ahnsahnghong (Ahn Sahng/Sang-Hong) or their current leader "Mother Jerusalem" (a.k.a. "Heavenly Mother God," Zang/Zahng Gil-Jah, or Chung Gil Cha)? Thank you for coming here. I hope my blog helps you. Questions and comments are always welcome.
Wednesday, January 5, 2011
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i still did not get what you meant in the last para, cud u please say the last para clearly..thanks
ReplyDeleteSure, maybe this is a better way to say it...
ReplyDeleteWe say the sun rises in the east, but actually it only rises "due east" (exactly east) two days a year--on the spring and fall equinoxes.
On every other day, the sun rises either north or south of "due east". The most northerly or southerly sunrises occur on the summer and winter soltices.
How far off of "due east" the sun rises depends on the time of year and your location on earth. For example, if you are on the equator and it is a soltice, the sun will rise 23.5 degrees off of "due east." The difference is even greater as you move away from the equator.
The WMSCOG wants to interpret "east" as exactly east, in a straight line from Patmos to South Korea, and not a little to the north (Russia) or a little to the south (China).
The sunrise example was to show that when we say "east" it does not necessarily mean exactly due east. It is a general direction.
I hope that's better. :)
Hi, I was the one who had asked for more information about the East.. Thanks a lot, Genny. You are really blessed, must say.
ReplyDeleteIf you are fine with it, I want you to do a post on the 'end days, final destruction' the one that WMCOG panders day in and day out. Nowadays the moot thing that they say is that the world is ending very soon. However it has been something that they have been saying throughout the years. In fact, this year the Dangajanim (main pastor) said Mother had personally called her and said that the world is ending THIS YEAR ITSELF. Though I would like to disagree, the pastor said that Mother had pointed out that the signs are definitely of the end times, earthquakes with alarming consistency, typhoons, hurricanes etc. So that did petrify me..can you please throw some light on that one..thanks..may be a new post on that would really do justice considering that is what they say everynow and then
Thanks, Aroon. Yes, that would be a good post. My family has been needing much of my time lately, but I'm making a list of all these things to write about so I don't forget. Meanwhile, there is an interesting post about the end times here that you might like:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/signs-of-the-end-times-part-1-dead-birds-and-fish/
You all fool...! God's words are opened for those who listen to God's words. You are not God's people that's why you can't understand and truly believe in God Elohim.
ReplyDeleteI don't normally post comments like yours, Elohist, because of the name-calling, but you've given such a perfect example of a standard WMSCOG response to questioning, I though I should share it. (see the "Complete Trust and Devotion" post)
Deletehttp://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/07/complete-trust-and-devotion.html
"You all fool...! God's words are opened for those who listen to God's words. You are not God's people that's why you can't understand and truly believe in God Elohim."
DeleteDefine G-d's words please? Considering that most of the Scrolls (or Old Testament) were improperly translated from Ancient Hebrew (as used by today's Cuthian's in their version of the Torah) to Greek to Latin, wouldnt one need to read the ancient Hebrew scrolls to get G-d's word?
G-d Elohim? That is just one line in Breshit (or In The Beginning aka Genesis). Do you not understand the meaning of Elohim which was also used to name Kings and Queens as a set.
Then why just praise Elohim? Why are you not praising the other names such as the Tetragrammaton as in YHWH or praising Jesus Christ?
This is funny because there is a passage in the Bible that says one should be careful of who he calls a fool.
DeleteI can't remember the exact book and chapter and all but it's in there. To note what else was said,God did say there would be a great marriage. That, in it's self is open to interpretation. Sadly though I feel people over analyze too much. Clearly though it would be uninquisitive to overlook the geographical location of where John was coming from, which is why I'm here inquiring this. I'm disappointed that the wholesome Christian value of correcting one another has caused us to stray from the subject matter.
Hi everyone, I just wanted to say sorry for Elohist comment, name calling is not what we are about. First I want to comment on ahnsahnhong first off he is second coming christ. Everyone you must realize that the last book in bible revelation are the times we are living in now, the signs are all around us anoon you should be afraid because how are going to escape the desasters that are coming. People open yours eyes not your physical eyes your spiritual eyes see we dont know when God is coming but hes coming soon. The only way we can escape these desasters that God is going to bring is the passover, the same thing that the isrielites celebrated right before killed every first born from Egypt. Think about it the old testament is a copy and shadow to what's to come in the future. 2000 years ago when jesus was on this earth he was rejected by many people!!! why? Because he was different many people said that he can't be God because hes only a man and he was a jew if you look at it he said he was coming back the second time when jesus was here that was the first time 2000 years latter people are rejecting him like before ahnsahnghong cant be God hes only a man and he's korean. Back 2000 years ago people said the same think about jesus and the apostles they them a sect same as a cult many chritianswere killed by the hands of the roman catholic church they are the ones that crucified jesus but then again people believe in the catholic church. People open your eyes before its to late
ReplyDeleteHi David. Thanks for writing, and thank you also for apologizing on behalf of Elohist.
DeleteIt seems that you are seeking God, and I pray that you also will open your eyes so that you can give your highest loyalty to God and not to your church which is teaching you in error and leading you to worship false gods.
Please look again at your example, "2000 years ago when jesus was on this earth he was rejected by many people!!! why? Because he was different many people said that he can't be God because hes only a man and he was a jew if you look at it he said he was coming back the second time when jesus was here that was the first time 2000 years latter people are rejecting him like before ahnsahnghong cant be God hes only a man and he's korean. Back 2000 years ago people said the same think about jesus and the apostles they them a sect same as a cult"
If these things happening just the same as 2000 years ago were proof that Ahnsahnghong was God, then all the other people claiming to be God who are being rejected because they are only men and they are Russian or Korean or American etc, and their followers are accused of being in a cult too... Then shouldn't they also use the same reason in their proof too? No, that doesn't make sense, does it? You may believe it is so, but it is not what you should base your faith on.
I would like to know what you *do* base your faith on. There must be something immoveable, a rock, that your faith is based on. Something not rooted in opinion or in a choice of interpretation, but firm and steadfast that the rest of your faith (like the statement you made above) can be built on. For my faith, I have a few -- the resurrection of Jesus, the creation of the universe, and the moral laws of this life. What is it for you? Can you pinpoint it?
You also said, "many christians were killed by the hands of the roman catholic church they are the ones that crucified jesus but then again people believe in the catholic church." I think you have made a mistake here. The Catholic Church is not the group that crucified Jesus. Would you like to clarify or correct that?
Thanks again, and I hope to hear back from you. I think we could have good conversation.
God Bless you Sister <3
DeleteGod Bless You David. Well said. These people have also claimed that South Korea and Patmos Island are not on the same latitude. Actually our Father, Ahnsahnghong nim came from Incheon, South Korea where the International Airport is now - how perfect, right! and Incheon's latitude is perfectly in line with Patmos Island and well, hey what do you know....it's from a far of land to the east. Please people, Satan is very crafty. You don't need to shoot the messenger. We are only here to help and be helped. God loves you and beckons you to come home. Please be kind. It is gracious.
ReplyDeleteOh, now I get it. This is cult following a false Christ. Let me lay this to rest. JESUS will be seen coming in the clouds baiting a crown of thorns having such greatness that no man could even stand in his presence. EVERYONE will fall before him for his glory will be unmistakable. That's the guy who is the true son of GOD. Sorry to burst the bubble.
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