tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post3525822037203768715..comments2024-03-16T08:08:37.296-07:00Comments on Encountering the Cult of Ahnsahnghong: Galatians 4:26 -- Part 5gennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-72252127033604584252014-04-25T12:01:17.311-07:002014-04-25T12:01:17.311-07:00You can find the new post for our conversation her...You can find the new post for our conversation here:<br />http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2014/04/heavenly-mother-conversation-with-paul.htmlgennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-86943454090767852182014-04-25T09:39:41.413-07:002014-04-25T09:39:41.413-07:00Alright then. I won't have much extra time ov...Alright then. I won't have much extra time over the next week, but I'll get it set up and maybe we can get started.gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-89742718006641267092014-04-24T21:45:50.968-07:002014-04-24T21:45:50.968-07:00OkOkAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-52376160680018979552014-04-24T21:44:19.960-07:002014-04-24T21:44:19.960-07:00If you'd like to explore this topic more, I wi...If you'd like to explore this topic more, I will start a new post for it, and we can have a conversation in the same format as I had with Cyrus. Are you interested?gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-86269929841050107702014-04-24T10:45:49.590-07:002014-04-24T10:45:49.590-07:00Understanding the heavenly Jerusalem properly does...Understanding the heavenly Jerusalem properly does include the verse Gal 4:26. And the apostle did focus a lot and thereby described Jerusalem as our Mother.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-26573948157745168792014-04-24T10:41:44.581-07:002014-04-24T10:41:44.581-07:00He didn't say much about it probably because t...He didn't say much about it probably because this passage was focused on showing how we are free from slavery to the law, and not focused on the "heavenly Jerusalem." <br /><br />If you were wanting a "better understanding about the heavenly Jerusalem" as you say, I would not start with this verse at all. I would look first (and mainly) at Heb. 12:22-24 and Rev. 21.gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-49072479108999653252014-04-23T23:21:56.004-07:002014-04-23T23:21:56.004-07:00Yes it is highly figurative. The apostle when it c...Yes it is highly figurative. The apostle when it came to explain the new covenant did not mention Sarah or new law but just mentioned about the heavenly Jerusalem. To get a better understanding about the heavenly Jerusalem we must find related verses in the bible and read them together to understand and not in parts.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-2239302947445808712014-04-23T23:15:43.084-07:002014-04-23T23:15:43.084-07:00If you'd like to make the distinction that the...If you'd like to make the distinction that the "Jerusalem that is above" represents the new covenant (as opposed to the church under the new covenant), that's fine with me. If you'd like to take it a step further to say that it represents God who made the new covenant, that could work too. The whole passage is figurative language used to help us understand that we are free from slavery to the law.<br /><br />I have a feeling you would like to make a further point or ask another question. Go ahead. :)gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-26101141153742786842014-04-22T22:16:33.197-07:002014-04-22T22:16:33.197-07:00Ok i am answering. The apostle states that the two...Ok i am answering. The apostle states that the two women are representing two covenants. He says that Hagar stands for the old law and the present city of Jerusalem. He indeed means the capital of Israel, Jerusalem, a city. Similarly he is mentioning the Heavenly City, Jerusalem which is the place of the living God (Heb 12:22-24) in verse 26 and is testifying about the earthly and heavenly Jerusalem.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-2748861801829809152014-04-22T22:05:18.433-07:002014-04-22T22:05:18.433-07:00You have asked me more questions, but you did not ...You have asked me more questions, but you did not answer mine. What do *you think the "Jerusalem that is above" (or Sarah) and "the present city of Jerusalem" (or Hagar) represent?<br />Please answer before continuing.<br /><br />I will answer your questions anyhow. You said, "How can we who are like Isaac represent Jerusalem as well?" Maybe you mean, how can we figuratively represent both the child and the mother in this illustration?<br /><br />In the Old Testament, God describes the Israelites as His children and Israel as His wife (or betrothed). How can that be? Well, for one thing, these are *metaphors--word pictures to help us understand, not necessarily meant to be literal. For another thing, you can think of the individuals (Israelites, believers) as the children and the group as a whole (the nation of Israel, the church) as the mother.<br /><br />The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear the word Jerusalem is the historical capital of Israel.<br /><br />Ok, your turn. Remember, please answer my questions before you ask any others. gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-44567807860039133372014-04-22T18:49:17.245-07:002014-04-22T18:49:17.245-07:00The church under the new covenant is the most unfi...The church under the new covenant is the most unfit theory of all. How can we who are like Isaac represent Jerusalem as well? It is very simple genny. Have a look at what the apostle wrote concerning the old law. He mentioned about the City Jerusalem. And again in 26 he mentions about the Heavenly Jerusalem. There are two types of Jerusalem mentioned over here. What is the first thing that comes in your mind when you hear the word 'Jerusalem'?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-63654080206017504532014-04-22T14:20:50.338-07:002014-04-22T14:20:50.338-07:00Ok, let's look more precisely at what the Apos...Ok, let's look more precisely at what the Apostle Paul said in Gal. 4:24-31<br /><br />Hagar ... old covenant ... Mount Sinai ... present city of Jerusalem ... son Ishmael born according to the flesh ... bears children who are slaves ... in slavery with her children<br /><br />Sarah ... new covenant ... Jerusalem that is above ... son Isaac born according to the promise and by the power of the Spirit ... children are free ... we are her children<br /><br />The church under the new covenant fits with that. If you disagree, please say why you do not think it fits, what you think the "Jerusalem that is above" (or Sarah) represents, and also what you think "the present city of Jerusalem" (or Hagar) represents.gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-60147882216886812662014-04-22T12:36:05.821-07:002014-04-22T12:36:05.821-07:00The reason is does the apostle say it is church? N...The reason is does the apostle say it is church? No, isnt it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-53513638950449825562014-04-21T20:48:49.918-07:002014-04-21T20:48:49.918-07:00Because the apostle does not say that it is a chur...Because the apostle does not say that it is a church. Does he?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-50844006602027768032014-04-21T20:42:52.474-07:002014-04-21T20:42:52.474-07:00What is your reason for saying Jerusalem does not ...What is your reason for saying Jerusalem does not refer to the church?gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-28331640537080588632014-04-21T18:05:54.833-07:002014-04-21T18:05:54.833-07:00Yes. You are right. The apostle Paul tells us dire...Yes. You are right. The apostle Paul tells us directly and it is true that we are figuratively like Isaac. But not like Jerusalem. You cannot prove that Jerusalem refers to us, because it does not. I would be delighted if you can prove it through the Scriptures and wait till your oppurtunity comes to give a reply.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-40873136245696686822014-04-21T16:30:33.997-07:002014-04-21T16:30:33.997-07:00The Apostle Paul tells us directly in Gal 4:28, &q...The Apostle Paul tells us directly in Gal 4:28, "Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise." So, yes.<br />(By the way, I've had an unusual abundance of computer time today, but it will be ending soon due to family obligations. If I don't respond to future comments, it won't be because I'm trying to avoid you. It's just that I have to wait until I have opportunity again.)gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-54290622634511462682014-04-21T16:10:17.717-07:002014-04-21T16:10:17.717-07:00Then whom does Isaac represent? Because in your ex...Then whom does Isaac represent? Because in your explanation you have written that the believers who have faith in Christ are the free woman's son. So is it like Jerusalem and Isaac both refer to the believers?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-51499120450367750722014-04-21T15:21:17.683-07:002014-04-21T15:21:17.683-07:00Yes, when I say the "true church" I'...Yes, when I say the "true church" I'm not talking about a particular denomination, but the general body of believers.gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-90599454015152090382014-04-21T15:05:30.527-07:002014-04-21T15:05:30.527-07:00I simply mean that it is referring to all those pe...I simply mean that it is referring to all those people who believe and have faith in Christ rather than those who obey the old law. When you say Jerusalem refers to the true church, it is understood that you are referring to the believers too, isnt it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-7669386351078442452014-04-21T14:55:53.701-07:002014-04-21T14:55:53.701-07:00Hi Paul. I hope you read the other parts of the a...Hi Paul. I hope you read the other parts of the article too.<br />It depends on what you mean by "free under the law of the new covenant."<br />Here "Jerusalem" is used metaphorically to represent the true church which is in freedom and no longer in slavery under the law.gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-8450252259891664412014-04-21T14:31:58.995-07:002014-04-21T14:31:58.995-07:00So the correct interpretation of "Jerusalem&q...So the correct interpretation of "Jerusalem" in 4:26 is that it refers to the believers who are free under the law of the new covenant. I hope this is what you meanAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10686523383484832022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-69250086715461855812013-10-08T07:00:50.498-07:002013-10-08T07:00:50.498-07:001Timothy 2:5 NIV
For there is ONE GOD and ONE MEDI...1Timothy 2:5 NIV<br />For there is ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.<br />John 14:6 NIV<br />Jesus answered, "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."<br /><br />Jesus said it, it is through him, not this non-existing god the mother, what a false doctrine :3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-84969432198129031482012-11-07T21:36:27.950-08:002012-11-07T21:36:27.950-08:00I was approached with this false doctrine infront ...I was approached with this false doctrine infront of a retail store. I couldn't believe my ears. I told the guy as I looked him in the eyes, you preach a false doctrine! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2397025620170596837.post-71781082529714533052010-12-30T11:26:50.890-08:002010-12-30T11:26:50.890-08:00Thanks, I appreciate it! That gets me thinking......Thanks, I appreciate it! That gets me thinking... I'm sure there are other websites speaking out about the WMSCOG in other languages. It would be great to get a collection of links together. Would you please send me a link to your site? And anyone else out there who has a similar website in another language, I'd be happy to hear about it! Thank you!gennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071946375996064205noreply@blogger.com